Estoy leyendo un libro de Claudio Rittermann, del mismo nombre, y encuentro de que hubo , o sea ,...hace alusiòn a una "Masacre, en Chegnone, el 01/01/1945,segun ,fueron masacrados 60 prisioneros de las SS, desarmados,por miembros del 21 batallòn de Infanterìa Blindada,Cìa. B, U.S. ARMY.(me pareciò ver unos min.de ello en una documental que tengo, prometo revisar, pues los sacan del recinto y les disparan en el patio)
Asì mismo de que en los alrededores de La Gleize (por supuesto antes de esto)los hombres de Peiper, 21/12/44 capturaron al Mayor Harold D. Mc.Cown, comdte. de uno de los Batallones del Reg. 119 de infanterìa U.S.y..que sabiendo Mc.Cown de lo de Màlmedy, le preguntò acerca de esto a Peiper (el mismo hablaba,perfectamente inglès), y el mismo le certificò de que ninguno de su tropas,habìan participado en esto...!!???
En 1946 en Dachau en el juìcio, Mc. Cown declarò a favor de Peiper, y..curiosamente, años mas tarde Mc. Carthy,Joseph,sen. por Wisconsin,(tristemente cèlebre), defendiò a los hombres de las Waffen SS...y puso en duda el sistema de enjuiciamento hecho por su paìs al terminar la guerra.
Escribo esto de modo si alguien pueda aportar algo mas.. y...aprendemos todos
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John Fague relata sus experiencias en la Batalla de Las Ardenas con la Compañía B del 21º Batallón de Infantería Blindada de la 11ª División Acorazada. La víspera de Año Nuevo de 1945 cuenta:
[Soon it was near midnight, New Year's Eve 1944-45.....I saw two figures in the light of the fire. They were walking toward the darkness. At that I thought they were GI's but changed my mind. I opened up on them with my rifle. I heard some moaning and yelling and then “Kamerad! KAMERAD!” Out of the darkness two men trudged toward me, their hands raised in surrender. They were my first prisoners.
I turned the two prisoners over to Joe Minnaugh, of Harrisburg, who could speak German. Later I learned these two men had been taken behind a haystack and shot. The order had been : Take no prisoners in this drive.]
Y más adelante sigue Fague:
[Some of the boys had some prisoners line up. I knew they were going to shoot them, and I hated this business. I hid behind one of our tanks so that they would not see me and ask me to help with the slaughter, Fortunately one of the fellows decided not to shoot them in the open where Germans hiding in the woods could witness this atrocity. They marched the prisoners back up the hill to murder them with the rest of the prisoners we had secured that morning.]
Y:
[After a rest of an hour we received orders to go back through the town and join our vehicles on the other side of the town. We formed into semblance of columns and trudged back. As we were going up the hill out of town, I know some of our boys were lining up German prisoners in the fields on both sides of the road. They must have been 25 or 30 German boys in each group. Machine guns were being set up. These boys were to be machine gunned and murdered. We were committing the same crimes we were now accusing the Japs and Germans of doing. The terrible significance of what was going on did not occur to me at the time. After the killing and confusion of that morning the idea of killing some more Krauts didn’t particularly bother me. I didn’t want any share in the killing. My chief worry was that Germans hiding in the woods would see this massacre and we would receive similar treatment if we were captured. I turned my back on the scene and walked on up the hill]
En las notas a pie de página del relato (que fue copiado de las cartas que el autor escribió a su padre), en la nota 3 se dice lo siguiente:
[3) The murder of German prisoners is very regrettable. Before the attack began, an upper echelon 11th AD commander assembled the men and gave them a pep talk. The one thing I remember him saying was: “Take no prisoners.” At the time, this had no meaning to me. Fortunately this madness lasted only a few days. I later learned of the murder of American prisoners by the Germans at Malmedy, Belgium. I assumed this is what started the tragedy.]
El relato completo en:
http://www.11tharmoreddivision.com/hist ... ompany.htm
Véase http://forosegundaguerra.com/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=3306
Saludos cordiales
JL
jpeiper escribió:Estoy leyendo un libro de Claudio Rittermann, del mismo nombre, y encuentro de que hubo , o sea ,...hace alusiòn a una "Masacre, en Chegnone, el 01/01/1945,segun ,fueron masacrados 60 prisioneros de las SS, desarmados,por miembros del 21 batallòn de Infanterìa Blindada,Cìa. B, U.S. ARMY.(me pareciò ver unos min.de ello en una documental que tengo, prometo revisar, pues los sacan del recinto y les disparan en el patio)
John Fague relata sus experiencias en la Batalla de Las Ardenas con la Compañía B del 21º Batallón de Infantería Blindada de la 11ª División Acorazada. La víspera de Año Nuevo de 1945 cuenta:
[Soon it was near midnight, New Year's Eve 1944-45.....I saw two figures in the light of the fire. They were walking toward the darkness. At that I thought they were GI's but changed my mind. I opened up on them with my rifle. I heard some moaning and yelling and then “Kamerad! KAMERAD!” Out of the darkness two men trudged toward me, their hands raised in surrender. They were my first prisoners.
I turned the two prisoners over to Joe Minnaugh, of Harrisburg, who could speak German. Later I learned these two men had been taken behind a haystack and shot. The order had been : Take no prisoners in this drive.]
Y más adelante sigue Fague:
[Some of the boys had some prisoners line up. I knew they were going to shoot them, and I hated this business. I hid behind one of our tanks so that they would not see me and ask me to help with the slaughter, Fortunately one of the fellows decided not to shoot them in the open where Germans hiding in the woods could witness this atrocity. They marched the prisoners back up the hill to murder them with the rest of the prisoners we had secured that morning.]
Y:
[After a rest of an hour we received orders to go back through the town and join our vehicles on the other side of the town. We formed into semblance of columns and trudged back. As we were going up the hill out of town, I know some of our boys were lining up German prisoners in the fields on both sides of the road. They must have been 25 or 30 German boys in each group. Machine guns were being set up. These boys were to be machine gunned and murdered. We were committing the same crimes we were now accusing the Japs and Germans of doing. The terrible significance of what was going on did not occur to me at the time. After the killing and confusion of that morning the idea of killing some more Krauts didn’t particularly bother me. I didn’t want any share in the killing. My chief worry was that Germans hiding in the woods would see this massacre and we would receive similar treatment if we were captured. I turned my back on the scene and walked on up the hill]
En las notas a pie de página del relato (que fue copiado de las cartas que el autor escribió a su padre), en la nota 3 se dice lo siguiente:
[3) The murder of German prisoners is very regrettable. Before the attack began, an upper echelon 11th AD commander assembled the men and gave them a pep talk. The one thing I remember him saying was: “Take no prisoners.” At the time, this had no meaning to me. Fortunately this madness lasted only a few days. I later learned of the murder of American prisoners by the Germans at Malmedy, Belgium. I assumed this is what started the tragedy.]
El relato completo en:
http://www.11tharmoreddivision.com/hist ... ompany.htm
jpeiper escribió:Asì mismo de que en los alrededores de La Gleize (por supuesto antes de esto)los hombres de Peiper, 21/12/44 capturaron al Mayor Harold D. Mc.Cown, comdte. de uno de los Batallones del Reg. 119 de infanterìa U.S.y..que sabiendo Mc.Cown de lo de Màlmedy, le preguntò acerca de esto a Peiper (el mismo hablaba,perfectamente inglès), y el mismo le certificò de que ninguno de su tropas,habìan participado en esto...!!???
En 1946 en Dachau en el juìcio, Mc. Cown declarò a favor de Peiper, y..curiosamente, años mas tarde Mc. Carthy,Joseph,sen. por Wisconsin,(tristemente cèlebre), defendiò a los hombres de las Waffen SS...y puso en duda el sistema de enjuiciamento hecho por su paìs al terminar la guerra.
Véase http://forosegundaguerra.com/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=3306
Saludos cordiales
JL
"Dioses, no me juzguéis como un dios
sino como un hombre
a quien ha destrozado el mar" (Plegaria fenicia)
sino como un hombre
a quien ha destrozado el mar" (Plegaria fenicia)
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Buenas tardes a todos y gracias por la atenciòn,como siempre!!mas fuentes para aprender y conocer!!
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